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Poster: garthus Date: Sep 23, 2009 8:13pm
Forum: texts Subject: Historical Archive for service and operators manuals

Historical Archive for service manuals a necessity
Unfortunately, there is no archive for these materials and I do have a rather extensive collection (over 12,000 pages) if I can get them up on the archive. Interesting that professional librarian types have been slow in saving this vital part of the nation's technological history.

Gerry

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Poster: anthonypaul Date: Sep 24, 2009 7:57am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Historical Archive for service and operators manuals

Same applied to trade catalogues.In the UK they are not covered by Copyright Deposit, so survivals are entirely by chance.

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Sep 23, 2009 11:41pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Historical Archive for service and operators manuals

Sometimes these manuals mention things, that never get documented anywhere else.

200 years from now, a museum might find an old kitchen appliance, but not know how it was used.

Already, experts dont know what certain woodwork and engineering tools, made only 150 years ago, were supposed to do. Everybody got ideas, but nobody knows for certain.

In the case of a kitchen appliance, it might be something as simple as markings inside the bowl of a cake mixer, which only the manual could explain.

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Sep 24, 2009 9:07am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Historical Archive for service and operators manuals

Many sites for old manuals but specialized, for example:

http://old-carburetors.com/
http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main.php

..this one was shut down for copyright violation

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081215/0106043118.shtml

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Poster: garthus Date: Sep 24, 2009 11:50am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Historical Archive for service and operators manuals

stbalbach,

Regarding heathkit, that is b---s---; almost none of the manuals issued before 1989 (march 1), either were copyrighted or if they were had their copyrights renewed. They are clearly public domain. Check if you would like; well over 90 % of the materials before 1989 were either not copyrighted, or copyrights were not renewed in a timely manner. While there may be exceptions, I do not think heathkit is one of them. As far as those other sites; I am aware of them and some others; but try and download a complete manual; not that easy if at all possible. Most of them are trying to suck money in a mad dash for the pot of gold most Amerikans think they can get without or doing very little work with phony intellectual property rights claims. In any case I am setting up collections pages and soon it will be much easier to get access to these materials.

Gerry

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Sep 24, 2009 4:04pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Historical Archive for service and operators manuals

Gerry,

Good speed on what sounds like a worthy and worthwhile project.

> well over 90 % of the materials before 1989 were either not copyrighted

You are right, anything prior to 1989 had to have a Copyright (C) notice to be considered copyright - but after 1989 it is optional and everything is copyright by default.

FWIW I saw this example of someone posting an entire manual (Copyright Honda 1993) "for my friends" under Fair Use, which is pretty dubious! Post first and wait for a take down notice is becoming a more common strategy.

http://bill.laudeman.com/helix/manual/index.html

Stephen

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Poster: garthus Date: Sep 24, 2009 6:20pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Historical Archive for service and operators manuals

Stephen,
It gets even better; before 1964; even if it had a copyright notice, it had to also be registered; no copyright registration within one year of notice; no copyright. This trick was very common with comic books and pulps, they never filed copyright registrations. I havs many hundreds of the pulps and comics waiting to scan; to make it easier I slice them apart and then donate them to collectors when I am finsihed; but I can do a 100 page pulp in less than half an hour this way with the scanners which I have. These are the pages which I am talking about:

http://www.archive.org/details/farmingequipmentmanuals

I am working on several other pages for appliances, tools, electronic equipment, etc. ... .

Gerry